"Saying that they're going to defund the police or that they're going to ban the police or whatever they're talking about, that was optics, guys," said Michelle Gross, president of the Minneapolis chapter of Communities United Against Police Brutality. "Just plain optics."
Sam Martinez, an activist with Justice for Jamar, a group formed after the 2015 death of Jamar Clark in a confrontation with police, said just getting rid of a police department doesn't solve the problem.
"If they attempted to defund the police or reduce the police force, we know they can't do it, and what comes after that? Will they turn over the power to the (Hennepin County) sheriff ... who has had no accountability either?" Martinez said.
Community activists have criticised the Minneapolis department for years for what they say is a racist and brutal culture that resists change. The state of Minnesota launched a civil rights investigation of the department last week, and the first concrete changes came in a stipulated agreement in which the city agreed to ban chokeholds and neck restraints.
Steve Cramer, a former City Council member who now serves as president and CEO of the Minneapolis Downtown Council, called rhetoric about ending policing as the city knows it "exhilarating to some but terrifying to others."
"Until we really understand how this kind of evaluation and planning process is going to move forward, there's this vacuum that people are going to fill with their own thoughts," he said. " ... I think that's just a hard place that some of our elected officials have put our community in at a very vulnerable time."
Protesters nationwide are demanding police reforms, and calls to "defund the police" over the death of Floyd and other black Americans killed by law enforcement have become a rallying cry.
Supporters say the movement isn't about eliminating police departments or stripping agencies of all of their money. Instead, they say it is time for the country to address systemic problems in policing in America and spend more on what communities across the US need, such as housing and education.
Gross' group, along with others including Minnesota's Council on American-Islamic Relations and two Black Lives Matter chapters, presented their own 40 recommendations for police reform today. They gathered at the remnants of the Third Precinct station, which was set ablaze by protesters at the height of violence following Floyd's death.
Among the recommendations, officers would be required to carry their own professional liability insurance, an idea that aims to hike out-of-pocket insurance rates for officers who engage in high-risk conduct. Some of the worst offenders would become uninsurable and forbidden from working as a police officer.
The groups also are seeking an independent agency to investigate and prosecute critical incidents involving police; mandatory psychological testing for officers; and community participation in negotiating police union contracts.
They would end so-called "warrior" training for officers and the use of no-knock warrants, while banning military equipment in community policing as well as neck restraints and chokeholds.
In Ferguson, where the 2014 shooting death of Brown, an unarmed 18-year-old, galvanised the fledgling Black Lives Matter movement, the city and US Justice Department entered a consent agreement that required massive reforms overseen by a court-appointed monitor.
Among the results are a department with significantly more black officers, a police use-of-force policy and progress in use of body-worn and in-car cameras.
Ferguson spent US$1.1 million in the first three years of the consent agreement and expects to spend another US$1 million over the next three years — a significant investment for a city with an annual budget of less than US$13 million.
Changes are being talked about elsewhere, too.
In New York City, Mayor Bill de Blasio said Sunday that the city would move funding from the NYPD to youth initiatives and social services, while keeping the city safe, but he didn't give details. In Los Angeles, Mayor Eric Garcetti vowed to cut as much as US$150 million that was part of a planned increase in the police department's budget.
Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey, who was booed at a rally on Sunday outside his house when he said he does not support abolishing the department, repeated that stance today. In an interview with ABC, he said he looked forward to "deciphering" what council members mean by such talk.
He said he favours "a full-on cultural shift in how our Minneapolis Police Department and departments throughout the country function."
"We have difficulty both terminating and disciplining officers, and then getting that termination or discipline to stick," Frey said. "We're going after the police union, the police union contract, the arbitration provisions that mandate that we have arbitration at the end of the process, and oftentimes that reverts the officer to right back where they were to begin with."
Alondra Cano, one of the nine council members who said they support disbanding, called impending change "a process" that is just beginning. She invited community input.
"Nobody is saying we want to abolish health or safety," Cano said. "What we are saying is we have a broken system that is not producing the outcomes we want."
- AP