Today on The Country, Jamie Mackay catches up with Malcolm Gawn, a man who ditched the Big Smoke to make goats' milk soap in South Otago!
On with the show:
Andrew Hoggard:
In the absence of Federated Farmers' President Katie Milne, who's in Berlin with the World Farming Organization, we catch up with her Vice President to talk about why you don't need to ditch meat and dairy from your diet to save the planet.
Simon Bridges: