Jamie Mackay caught up with Rowland Smith to chat about his big brother Matt's world record-breaking shearing success in the UK this morning.
New Zealander Matt Smith smashed the standing record by shearing 731 ewes in nine hours. Rowland is also a world champion shearer but has no desire to try and top his brother's achievement.
Speaking of Matt, he's hovering in the background and Rowland hands him the phone. Matt lives in England now but he reckons he will be back to New Zealand one day.
He's also not far away from bed, as he is (not surprisingly) exhausted!
You can hear the whole interview with Matt and Rowland Smith in the Soundcloud embed below: