Motu Matu'u was a late bloomer compared with many of the young pups in Super Rugby.
The hooker made his debut for the Hurricanes in 2012 at 24, although he had played ITM Cup for Wellington for a couple of seasons before that.
Now 27, the former Rongotai College pupil wasn't a player who made all the Wellington age-group representative sides as he grew up.
"I was never a big fan of footy back when I was at school," Matu'u said. "It wasn't until I got out of school and started playing club that I enjoyed it a lot."
That enjoyment fuelled his drive to push on to higher honours and he now has a prime job playing backup to Dane Coles for the Hurricanes. He is also a key cog in the Wellington forward pack given All Blacks like Coles rarely play in the ITM Cup.