Quite how much pain the All Blacks are carrying into their Rugby World Cup clash with France this weekend became apparent when halfback Andy Ellis had to stop himself from calling it a grudge match today.
The scars of that quarter-final defeat four years ago have still not healed. The All Blacks have confronted that night, many have even gone back in recent weeks to review the video for the first time and they have tried to process their emotions into some kind of useable energy source.
This week is not like any other test week. Mentally, the All Blacks are a team on edge - conscious of the significance of Saturday's game in both the immediate and wider context. Victory will all but secure the top spot in Pool A while it will also expunge some demons that have taken residence in some heads.
"I can remember in sitting in the stands and when there was a couple of minutes to go I thought that was that - we were probably going to lose,'' recalled Ellis of his memories of the World Cup game with France in 2007. "I can remember thinking that I hoped that wasn't going to be it; that I wanted to have another crack and here we are four years on and we are playing France.''
While the All Blacks have played France twice since _ losing in Carisbrook and winning in Marseille - there is an acceptance that Saturday night's game will be a different beast in terms of intensity and pressure. Beating France comprehensively two years ago in Marseille was important and welcomed but it didn't provide a sense of revenge. That will have to wait until Saturday night and quite how hard it will be to achieve has been the theme of the preparation.