Lood de Jager, all 22 years of him, was wise and humble about the competition for the No 5 Springbok jersey between him and a legend 16 years his elder.
Victor Matfield, having been coaxed out of retirement with the World Cup in mind, has found himself played out of the team by the young Cheetah, who has played 110 fewer tests than Matfield, the record holder on 125.
De Jager finds the situation a touch embarrassing. It is not that long ago that he was a school boy at Hugenote in Springs, hero-worshipping Matfield.
"I wouldn't say I'm in a battle against Victor for the jersey," he said.
"Nobody owns the No 5 jersey. If I am picked this week, I will do that jersey justice to the best of my ability, and Victor will support me in any way he can. If it is the other way around, the same applies.