Bring up the name John Mitchell in this part of the rugby globe and you'll begin a discussion which will be as divisive as any All Black topic.
Up north he is being painted as a potential saviour for cracks in England's system and in six weeks in the glaring din of a full house at Twickenham, Mitchell will be sitting alongside Eddie Jones in their coaching group as they host the All Blacks.
Fifteen years ago Jones and the Wallabies' semifinal win at the 2003 World Cup helped snuff out Mitchell's career on the All Black coaching roster.
He had been a shock choice to replace Wayne Smith as All Black coach towards the end of a difficult 2001 season and during his 28 tests at the helm he left many senior players bemused by his decisions. He fell out with team manager Andrew Martin and senior NZR officials and alienated large sections of the public and media.
He brought heavyweight rugby knowledge alongside his work ethic but also a sack of off-field issues with his lack of explanation about selections, reluctance to engage with sponsors and others sectors of the rugby community and a curious new self-help vocabulary.