The first time Steve Hansen publicly expressed doubt about whether he would extend his contract as All Blacks coach beyond 2017 was the day after the last World Cup final at England's Pennyhill Hotel base.
Then, reflecting on his team's 34-17 victory over the Wallabies at Twickenham alongside skipper Richie McCaw, he told the international media: "I wouldn't say no, but I'm certainly not saying yes either.
"I would probably say it's more likely I won't be there after 2017... it's been a good trip so far and we've just got to finish it off."
Hansen revealed today in confirming his new contract would take him through to the next World Cup in Japan in 2019 - it officially ends in March 2020 - that that moment back on that overcast November day in Bagshot, a day he was celebrating a personal and collective triumph, was when he felt his chances of continuing were at their lowest.
But after asking himself whether he had the desire to continue, and getting positive feedback from his family and senior players, his hunger to stay on was confirmed by the recent whitewash of Wales.