As the tributes flow for Sir Colin Meads, they highlight that there is universal agreement that he redefined not only the second row position, but also lifted the expectations for forwards in terms of athleticism and skill.
His is an incredible legacy that 46 years after he last played a test, current All Blacks - many of whom were born 20 years after Meads' was in a black jersey - know that he roamed the field with the ball in one hand and that he was equally capable of loping around like a wing or crashing over the top of tacklers.
That both Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock were able to talk with knowledge and from the heart about Meads today, was both illustrative of the impact the great man had and also a prompt to wonder whether any All Blacks of today will have similarly long legacies where they are still revered in 40-plus years?
Or to be more specific, will any of the current All Blacks be looked back upon and considered, in the way Meads did, to have redefined their position?
Fittingly, both Retallick and Whitelock are good candidates to assess as individually they must surely be considered as up there with the best locks New Zealand has produced and almost beyond question is that they are already the best combination.