For the man known as The Professor during his many years coaching the All Blacks due to his constant studying of the game and cerebral approach, Wayne Smith's career wasn't a series of epic successes.
That much is made clear in Sky Television's documentary on the now 61-year-old who retired as an All Blacks assistant last year, a 90-minute programme which will screen tomorrow and which makes good use of Smith's memories as a coach and the game footage of the time (which includes the 2015 World Cup).
From his days as a player for Canterbury, the New Zealand sevens team and the All Blacks, to being the coach of Canterbury B and the Crusaders and the national team; the curly-haired skinny first-five from Putaruru sure went a long way.
There are some nuggets, like the story about how, as a student at teaching college following a long drive south from Waikato, he arrived to try out for the Christchurch club only to discover 97 players had turned up for the trial. "I didn't even bother getting my boots out of the car," he says.
He played among the freezing workers at the humble Belfast club instead - his influence was made clear when that was the club of choice for Sonny Bill Williams when he arrived from France to play for Canterbury and the Crusaders - and Smith quickly fitted in. He even found an unlikely ally in famous Canterbury and All Blacks prop Bill Bush.