In 2008, wiling away a bitterly cold winter's eve in Dublin, the All Black management hosted a few drinks with the assembled media who were covering the Grand Slam tour that year.
As is often the case at these affairs, the topics of conversation were left-field and light-hearted - such as, which of the All Black tour party would be left standing if the squad were asked to cage fight?
The coaches had an answer almost immediately: they reckoned it would come down to Keven Mealamu and Rodney So'oialo. Neither would give up unless they were dead and both had the mental and physical capacity to take and give relentless punishment.
What about now? What would the answer be in 2014? Owen Franks, Kieran Read and Sam Whitelock are pretty tough characters. Liam Messam wouldn't be put away easily.
These boys would be contenders, along with the veteran Mealamu..