Versions of "no Simon Mannering — no chance" will accompany the Warriors as the annual guessing game about their NRL prospects starts 5500km away in Perth tomorrow night.
The arrival of Adam Blair, Tohu Harris, Peta Hiku and Blake Green has pushed up optimism about the club's prospects alongside the headline acts of Roger Tuivasa-Sheck and Shaun Johnson but that concept is a shredded pattern for professional league and rugby in Auckland.
For the past six seasons, the Warriors and the Blues have sagged in the bottom half of their competitions as theories expand about the reasons behind their failures.
No wonder most NRL pundits across the ditch have dismissed the Warriors chances of making the playoffs this season. They've lost Mannering to a shoulder injury for the first few games before they run into the Roosters, Cowboys, Broncos and Storm from round four.
They open up against the Rabbitohs, who have Greg Inglis back in their lineup and playing in the centres as league welcomes improved opportunities in the west after the Force were removed from the Super Rugby series.