There have been many things said about the Warriors throughout history, some of them true and others less so, but they need to go some way to proving they have a big, tough and uncompromising forward pack on the evidence of the first two games this season.
They possess some very good forwards, many of them internationals, but they're not playing as a unit and they're not dominating their opposition. They lacked physicality against the Eels and intensity against a relatively small Dragons pack.
It was telling that the visitors controlled the ruck speed yesterday and went on to claim a deserved 31-12 win at Eden Park.
The backs certainly haven't helped matters, and the fringes were dreadful against Parramatta, but it's often said games are usually won and lost up front.
"This is a team that should never be out-muscled and that's what feels like is happening," Warriors prop Jacob Lillyman said.