Paul Gallen is walking across the room at the Australian team hotel in Dublin - and the first thing you think is that the Kangaroos' real life enforcer doesn't look big enough to do what he does.
"I couldn't tell you how many times I've been in a club or pub somewhere and people have said: 'You're not that big, are you'," he laughed.
Gallen gives up the best part of 20kg to many of his rivals - and height-wise, he admits, he's a shrimp standing alongside the game's new-age giants.
"I'd like to say I'm 180cm but I don't know if I'm quite that, around 5' 11," he said.
"When I stand around here and stand next to guys like Greg Inglis and Jimmy Tamou I think, far out, they are massive. I stood next to Jimmy Tamou last week during the anthem and I copped a hammering off all my mates. They were saying, 'why would you stand next to him?'