Off the top of his head, Kieran Foran doesn't know exactly how many test matches he has lost to Australia. It could be three, maybe it's four. What he does know is that "it's enough to know that I am sick of walking off having lost".
That sums up the Kiwis' mentality heading into a match in Townsville tonight that marks the start of their build-up to next year's world cup defence in Great Britain.
Pulling off the odd shock victory in a tournament is nice, but it's not enough any more. Matches such as tonight's simply can't be written off as inevitable defeats.
"We'll be going out there to get success tonight and everything we've done this week has been geared to that," coach Stephen Kearney said.
'We've been doing everything we can to make sure that everyone executes their jobs and we feel if we do that we give ourselves a great opportunity of getting a win."