Like most players, Issac Luke rattles out the line that he just hopes he makes the New Zealand side for the upcoming World Cup. In reality, he's the one player the Kiwis can't do without if they're to defend their world title.
Coach Stephen Kearney would love to have Sonny Bill Williams in his 24-man squad in the UK and France, but he has a plethora of back-row options and is even reasonably well stocked in the halves - although he won't want to be without the ever-improving Kieran Foran.
It's at hooker where depth is still a little thin and where Luke is a cut above. Not only is he an 80-minute player, which impacts on the make-up of the interchange bench, but he is also acknowledged as the best dummy half runner in the game and a master at exploiting tired and lazy runners.
The 26-year-old was a player Australian coach Tim Sheens and captain Cameron Smith singled out for attention in this year's Anzac test, and his presence even helped shape the selection of the Kangaroos' side as Sheens opted for a mobile forward pack capable of containing Luke.
"I didn't know that until after the game," Luke says. "I knew then why they were throwing everything at me."