Dalton Papali'i has never spoken to any of the All Blacks coaches and thought he might have been a "contender" to make the squad in five years' time. Instead, he's been included in the main 32-player squad for next month's northern tour.
"I haven't talked to any of them, the only person I've spoken to was the manager and that was today," the 21-year-old Auckland and Blues loose forward said.
A New Zealand Under-20s player last year, Papali'i hasn't exactly come from nowhere, but, regardless, his rise has been extraordinary even allowing for Sam Cane's neck injury which leaves the All Blacks a little thin in terms of No7s.
Papali'i's main goal this year was to play well for the Blues and follow it up with a good season with Auckland. He's done that and far more.
"I was just trying to get my experience up at Super Rugby, which is pretty full on, and try to perform there," he said. "With the Mitre 10 campaign, I wanted to really smash that out. With the help of the good coaching staff… I'll be honest - I didn't plan on making the All Blacks. I'm pretty shocked.