No Brodie Retallick and now no Kieran Read in Buenos Aires. The All Blacks will attempt to bounce back from their painful defeat to South Africa with what for them will be an extremely inexperienced pack.
There's no Joe Moody either, but Karl Tu'inukuafe has made such a good fist of the start of his international career that the All Blacks are unlikely to miss Moody's 36 caps of experience.
Retallick, who has played 71 tests, was badly missed in Wellington against the Springboks and the All Blacks could miss the 113-cap Read's leadership against the Pumas at the Estadio Jose Amalfitani, as they seek to dramatically improve their game management after the failure there at Westpac Stadium.
The resting of Read from the Argentina leg – he will fly direct to South Africa to meet up with the squad before their test against the Boks in Pretoria on October 7 – has been long planned as a strategy to reduce the wear and tear on his back. He had back surgery at the end of last year and sitting in planes for long periods is not considered an ideal activity for him, or any athlete for that matter.
The All Blacks starting loose forwards against Argentina a week on Sunday are likely to consist of Shannon Frizell – probably at No 8 – Jackson Hemopo and Sam Cane. Frizell and Hemopo have three tests between them.