Trainers who win the City Of Auckland Cup have usually got an idea of how many winners they've trained.
Murray McKeagg thought it might have been a dozen.
It's actually immaterial because if you haven't trained 100 winners by the time you've got to lifting one of the country's best staying races, 20 previous winners is as sensational as 12. "I think it's around 12," said the 63-year-old recent product of Perth mining.
McKeagg has been back in his native New Zealand only 18 months and has only one racehorse in work - last night's Cup winner Hiace, and two unraced babies.
This was one of the big upsets in a major Ellerslie race in decades.