There are some things you can bank on as topics of conversation when you step into a London cab.
Here's a line you would never expect to hear from the mouth of an East End cabbie: "Richie McCaw, I mean what a subliminal player."
Come again? The Olympic Games are around the corner but Pat, who hails from Mile End Rd - and therefore from the same broad neck of these London woods - is thrilled to talk rugby. It's not what you'd call a natural fit.
"Everyone I know was so happy the All Blacks won the World Cup," he said during a conversation on why it is so good, and so important, for the Games to be not only in London, but in this part of the great city.
"You know, with the earthquakes and that, it was just terrific."