The old question of who deserves to be named champions has again become the topic of conversation across the Tasman as the top six A-League clubs prepare for the playoffs.
Some claim that all the glory should be with the team which wins the April 21 grand final while others insist that in winning the premiership - the 27 rounds of the Hyundai league - Western Sydney Wanderers are already the champions.
The first past the post system finds favour with the traditionalists who point to the English Premier League. Imagine asking Sir Alex Ferguson to put his Manchester United team back out for a couple of extra games before he could call his team the winners.
That six teams in a 10-team league get to play in the season finale weakens any reason to finish the season with such a game.
That a team like the Wanderers, who have enjoyed a fabulous debut season winning 18 of 27 games and losing only six, has to now go into a playoff which includes Perth Glory who won only nine surely undermines the need for playoffs.