New Zealand sports fans reckon an English team couldn't win a one-ticket raffle let alone an international event of consequence - and now it seems the English agree.
England's three main sports are meeting up to see what they can learn from their successive World Cup debacles.
The football, cricket and rugby teams scored an unprecedented and unwanted hat-trick by going out of their World Cups in the group stages.
To ensure nothing so humiliating happens again, English FA technical director Dan Ashworth has been pooling knowledge with England cricket director Andrew Strauss and Joe Lydon, the (England) RFU's head of international player development.
The common ground that is leading to regular meetings between them includes club v country issues and central contracts, as well as woeful World Cup performances.