The mental scars of the All Blacks' Rugby World Cup quarter-final loss to France in Cardiff run deep, but they apparently aren't putting supporters off despite the potential for a re-match in the same city eight years later.
The difference perhaps is that most All Black fans will travel with more realistic expectations than they did in 2007, a year which in New Zealand will be forever linked with France's shock 20-18 victory which led to tears in one Millennium Stadium changing room, plus a few more on these shores.
Many New Zealanders are planning on travelling to the United Kingdom for the global tournament, which starts on September 18, with All Blacks Tours, the company aligned with New Zealand Rugby, having sold about 18,500 match tickets, with about 1,000 remaining.
Some diehard supporters have snapped up a 47-night package which covers the entire tournament of four pool matches and three knockout matches. In addition, two Air New Zealand charter flights carrying about 340 people in each, plus tour leaders Sir Graham Henry and Stephen Donald, will leave after the pool phase.
All Blacks Tours general manager David Caldwell said the Cardiff result in 2007 was often mentioned by supporters looking into packages.