Vitali Klitschko doesn't flinch when the spectre of his worst moment in the ring is invoked with casual brutality. His interrogator wants to know if he had dared to look into the mirror to inspect the horrific wound decorating his left eye after Lennox Lewis had launched a savage, desperate attack in their fight in Los Angeles 18 months ago.
"It was horrible, but no one should have doubted that I would have carried on if the doctor had let me," Klitschko said. "I'm a fighter, and if you are a real man being marked for life is not a tragedy."
The man Britain's Danny Williams challenges for the World Boxing Council's heavyweight title in Las Vegas tomorrow goes on to insist that he is haunted by only one potential flow of blood. It is the one he fears might still come on to the streets of his native Ukraine.
That concern last week came close to stopping the big fight. "You look at the two things, a world heavyweight title fight, which is my business, and the future of my country and when you do that you have to think what is best for your people," adds Klitschko.
"But I had a call from Viktor Yuschenko [the leader of the successful outcry for a new election] and he thanked me for my support and said that I would be more use to the cause as the world heavyweight champion.
"I had to listen to that but I did come very close to breaking camp ... my heart said that I should be at home."
Most of the time home is now Lotus Land of southern California, a big house and sweeping gardens - another planet from the ice-bound streets of Kiev.
When he fought Lewis - and announced himself as the champion's authentic heir after leading on all scorecards until the fight was stopped after six rounds on account of that wound - he was asked how it was to be a new American.
"I live in America because I'm a professional fighter and, yes, it is a good life, but never think that I will not be Ukrainian until the day I die," he says. "Ukraine is my blood and my life - no one must doubt that."
That was the message he sent when he put himself at the service of the revolutionary movement.
"Look at those demonstrators in the streets of Kiev. They didn't go to work. They didn't get paid. They just stood for what they believe . . . They stand for freedom and liberty."
It is put to Klitschko, who has a PhD in sports science and philosophy, that as almost certainly the brainiest heavyweight champion since the bookish Gene Tunney tamed the ferocious railroad rider Jack Dempsey, he too can be a force for good in his embattled sport.
"That would never be for me to comment on," he says. "Every champion has to do his best, and then it is for the people to judge."
At 2m tall and 114kg, he looks as perfectly proportioned working in the gym as he does in his designer sports suit. He says that the drama that is unfolding in his homeland will not distract him from the task against Williams, and he smiles when he is told that the enemy camp is saying he is a stiff, robotic fighter who will succumb to their man's superior natural talent.
"They are right about my style," he says. "Yes, it is ugly, but it is effective - and it will never have been more effective than against Danny Williams. Yes, I respect him, and I know he is saying that he has new confidence after beating Mike Tyson. But we have been looking down through his career, and we do not see anything to fear."
Some believe that Klitschko might have ebbed a little since the high water mark of the Lewis performance. They say he looked a little apprehensive when he won the vacant title against South African Corrie Sanders, a golf fanatic who appeared to have spent much of his preparation on the course rather than on the road and in the gym.
But Klitschko is dismissive of all doubts, pointing out that after taking a heavy early shot from Sanders, he proceeded to cruise comfortably to an eight-round TKO.
"I have proved myself the true champion," he insists.
He says it with such authority you wonder about the odds against him one day becoming president of the Ukraine. He is 4-1 on to win the fight. On the other matter, and on current form, Vegas is not likely to be much more generous.
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