In this episode of We Need To Talk, Toni Street catches up with former Black Fern and TVNZ general manager of sports and events Melodie Robinson.
Robinson played 18 tests for women's rugby team the Black Ferns, winning two World Cups. But she didn't come from a particularly sporty background.
"I got into sport because I was actually good at it, and I used to play it all the time at school with my male mates. And I had an amazing PE teacher Mrs Tate who - hard as nails - but she saw some potential in me.
"I would put a lot of the credit down to her, down to my dad's love of rugby and knowing that I was a bit of a tomboy, and that I thought that the All Blacks were pretty cool and that I wanted to play rugby."
She spoke about how she played basketball and volleyball too. She tried netball but found the culture to be a bit "catty" and it wasn't right for her, instead finding the rugby scene much more exciting as they were setting their own team culture.