When a major political party decides to hold its leadership election in public, we should hear something of substance from the candidates. They are, after all, competing for the votes of party members, a more sympathetic electorate than they usually face and probably on average a better informed one.
Labour Party members in particular are more interested than most people in the finer points of policy, as is usually evident at the party's annual conferences. They are less interested, we would have thought, in the fact that David Cunliffe is smart and possibly conceited, Grant Robertson is gay and conservative constituencies might care, Shane Jones has watched porn but says he is not running for pope.
That has been the level of most of the discussion this week. In the belief the candidates have something better to offer, the Herald on Sunday invited each of them to supply a vision for New Zealand. The results were disappointing.
Cunliffe wants to "take New Zealand to a better place ... help Kiwis with their dreams [and] refuse to stand by and let our children become the first generation to do worse than their parents".
Robertson seeks "a New Zealand where your future is not decided by who your parents are, but on your hard work and the support provided by our collective efforts".