In 2022/23, as many as 60% of the intake were deemed to have complex needs.
Police Minister Mark Mitchell says that does not mean the programme is not a success, and the NZDF staff are there by choice.
“The NZDF personnel, most of them on that course have volunteered,” he told Morning Report on Monday.
“They have the resilience, they have the leadership, and they know that if we don’t make an investment into these young people, they’re going to end up in the adult system, and huge admiration to them… It’s a difficult job, but they’re willing step up.”
Critics of the Government’s boot camp programme say there is no evidence they work to reduce reoffending.
Mitchell brushed off suggestions the boot camps would be harder on NZDF personnel, considering the LSV course is taken by volunteers, but boot camp participants would be there by order of the court.
“Many of the young people on the LSV have been in trouble with the police. Some have even been in jail. The course is for 18- to 24-year-olds. I’m not saying it’s easy. It’s not easy. It’s very hard.
“I’ve been heavily involved in the programme. I’ve been a patron myself, and I’m a huge believer in it.
“But in my experience, NZDF don’t force anyone to go and participate and lead on the courses at all. Certainly when I was involved, the people that I spoke to and that I worked with, were volunteers that wanted to be there. "
Mitchell said many of those who complete the LSV course decide to join the NZDF, though many were not able to because of past convictions - which some of those in the NZDF would apparently like changed.
‘Punished one way or another’
A past patron of the LSV course said some trainees are very challenging. Ross Browne told Morning Report NZDF staff did their best to help trainees when he was there.
“They wouldn’t be there if they didn’t have a number of difficult circumstances, but what I saw is Defence Force staff and MSD digging in and doing their very best to help them.
“We asked Defence to do the hard stuff, you know, not the easy stuff. So it is going to be hard going with the trainees they were asked to help.”
He said MSD staff did the social and mental health work, while NZDF personnel concentrated on fitness and “life skills like how to give interviews, talking about nutrition, to manage mood and some of those issues”.
“Discipline is part of it. And, you know, these are 17- to 24-year-olds so they’re not kids. They’re all there by choice. A good deal of them respond very, very well to having that structured discipline way of doing things.
“You know, some of them are talking about it being the first time they were required to get out of bed, make the bed, get their clothes on and be organised for the day by a certain time.”
Asked whether young offenders would consider boot camp more of a punishment than rehabilitation, Browne said they had already offended “so they’ll be punished one way or another”.
“This gives them an opportunity to, rather than serve their time in another way, do it in this military context”.
The Children’s Commissioner and Human Rights Commission, among others, have raised concerns evidence showed boot camps did not work.
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon last week said he did not care what critics said “about whether it does or doesn’t work”.
“We can have that intellectual conversation all-day long, but we are, dammit, going to try something different because we cannot carry on getting the results that we’ve been getting.”
‘Fundamentally flawed’
Labour leader Chris Hipkins said the Government could not expect NZDF to put up with the stress caused by staffing a boot camp programme for troubled youth.
Hipkins said evidence continued to show the boot camps could do more harm than good.
“The boot camp proposal is fundamentally flawed and simply saying, ‘well, the Defence Force will just have to deal with it’ isn’t actually right. I mean, the Defence Force is saying that they can’t.”
He said the Government should be focused on dealing with the dysfunction in young offenders’ lives to prevent reoffending.
“When you’ve got vulnerable young people getting into trouble, the best thing that you can do is provide them with much more intensive mentoring support and deal with the dysfunction in their lives, which often involves getting around the wider family as well.”
Hipkins said providing wraparound support would be less costly than piloting the academies.
“The pilot that they’re proposing is an incredibly expensive pilot. You’re talking about half-a-million dollars per young person... There’s a lot more cost-effective things you could be doing with that kind of investment.
“Dealing with the dysfunction in their lives would be a much better way of turning their life around than sending them off to a boot camp that we know doesn’t work, and that the people who are supposed to run it are saying they know that it doesn’t work as well.”
Oranga Tamariki is due to trial a version of the Government’s boot camp policy in Palmerston North in late July with 10 young people already in youth justice facilities. They will spend three months in residence, followed by nine months transitioning back into the community.
Mitchell said the LSV course had about a 70% success rate in getting young people into training or employment.
“It is a hard, challenging, tough environment, and I have no doubt at all that it suits some people and it doesn’t suit others and the ones that it doesn’t suit they should seek to put their hand up quickly, and if they need any support, they get it.
“But as a country, we can’t give up on these young people. We have to keep looking for ways to be able to invest in them and get them making good decisions in their lives. Otherwise, they’re on a fast-track into our adult system, and it’s much harder to rehabilitate them.”
Defence Minister Judith Collins told RNZ she had been advised that work was continuing and she was not worried about the state of the LSV programme.
Minister for Children Karen Chhour - the minister responsible for the LSV scheme - was overseas and unavailable for an interview.
