John Mercer cheerfully confesses he'd struggle to throw his 13-year-old daughter in the air nowadays.
But he quickly adds that that's more to do with his strength these days than any reflection on his teenage daughter.
Chelsea can be heard laughing in the background as he hastily clarifies.
Back in 2004, John was at Cheltenham Beach, on Auckland's North Shore, flicking his 4-year-old girl high into the summer afternoon air time and again. Photographer Amos Chapple happened upon the scene and caught the action as it happened.
"We happened to be there and he came along as we were having fun, as you do," John, turning 50 shortly, says.