The matching grins say it all.
A boyish Zinzan Brooke, hair tousled and sleeves rolled up, beams at his equally young mate John Kirwan, contentedly puffing on a cigar in the Grand Hotel at Whangarei.
Kirwan remembers the good, the bad and the ugly of that night in May 1987 when he and "Zinny" were selected to represent New Zealand in the inaugural Rugby World Cup.
The elation and the bitter disappointment was captured live on TV. That live broadcast, Kirwan said, was one of the worst decisions ever made. The cameras caught Buck Anderson thinking his name had been called out, when it was in fact Buck Shelford's.
"That was pretty ugly for all concerned," said Kirwan. "We all felt for Buck Anderson when he missed out."