When it comes to the Reader's Digest annual trustworthiness and respect ratings of professions, journalists and politicians are right down the bottom - lower than a snake's underpants.
The public trust neither journos nor politicians and don't believe a word either group says. And this unseemly spat between the Prime Minister and various media organisations certainly won't help improve their ratings.
In one corner you have a couple of cocky politicians calling a media conference to announce they'll be sitting down over a cup of tea as a signal that National will be backing the Act candidate for Epsom.
The two Johns, Key and Banks, parade like show ponies for the cameras before the media scrum is banished and then begin their staged conversation, with nothing but a pane of glass between them and the media, and nothing at all between themselves and the rest of the cafe patrons.
I don't know what was discussed, although this newspaper has a transcript of the conversation. But I have no doubt Don Brash was a topic and it appears snide comments were made about Winston Peters and his support base.