John Key says he had not one, but two "good and long conversations" with Judith Collins yesterday. It is unlikely they spent the time talking about the weather.
The Prime Minister - so far - is not disclosing the precise details of the pair's discussions, most pertinently whether or not he asked her to stand down from her position as a Cabinet minister, if only temporarily.
But Key's reference to the length of the conversations has to be regarded as another way of him saying he canvassed various options with respect to her immediate future as a minister.
For Key not to have offered Collins some much-needed respite from the intense scrutiny that she has been under for weeks would have been neglectful of not just National's interests, but of Collins' as well.
Clearly Collins is very much in the wrong place mentally right now. That is plainly evident after she lashed out at TVNZ's Katie Bradford yesterday, only to to subsequently issue a public apology to the political reporter.