There were plenty of jokes in the Namik family from two brothers who graduated yesterday with engineering doctorates from Auckland University.
Salim, 28.5 - he likes to be as precise as he can be - and Hazim, 27, who migrated to NZ with their parents from Iraq in 2001, were happy to be done with official study.
Hazim, who is working in Texas doing research on floating wind turbines, said the past 4 years had been exhausting.
"PhD stands for 'Permanent Head Damage'," he joked.
Both Namik boys ended up in the same academic year because Salim had to do an extra year at Takapuna Grammar to qualify for tertiary study.