He has been touted as a potential saviour of English rugby, but World Cup-winning All Black coach Sir Graham Henry seems to have kicked that idea into touch.
At a fundraising dinner with All Black captain Richie McCaw, Henry, tongue firmly in cheek, responded to a glum England supporter seeking his wisdom by calling the English rugby team a "f***ing shambles" who should "self-destruct and start again".
In an evening littered with banter, a typically dry Sir Graham labelled the English as smarmy.
"They are the height of arrogance ... really up themselves," he told several hundred guests at Auckland's TelstraClear Pacific Events Centre.
"[Former England manager] Martin Johnson, well, he's a good guy, but he had a lot of pricks to deal with."