BJ Clark wanders the carefully-manicured rows of Gallipoli gravestones with the Youth Ambassadors, with reporter Kurt Bayer. They stop and pause at the pointless death of yet another teenager.
The national president of the RSA has been travelling with the 25 Youth Ambassadors as part of the New Zealand Defence Force contingent for the past week.
Mr Clark shudders to think that it could've been good kids like the ones alongside him that died in the bloody First World War debacle.
"You look at graves where they are just teenagers, and think that life hadn't even started yet. You wonder what sort of effect they could have had on the world if they had lived - they could've been a prime minister, or a wonderful dad who brought up a wonderful family. It's just so sad," he said.
It is Mr Clark's first trip to the Turkish battlefield.