Now that public submissions have closed on two bills before Parliament that will define our internet security, it is time for a more sober discussion.
That does not mean acceptance of any power proposed in the name of national security, or suspicion of anything a secret agency wants to do.
The bills - one giving the Government Communications Security Bureau access to phone and internet logs, the other requiring network operators to provide the means of access - are ripe for improvement by an all-party committee that begins public hearings today.
Crucially, the bills need to improve the political oversight of the security agencies. For too long, they have been answerable only to the Prime Minister of the day, with an informal understanding that the Leader of the Opposition will be briefed by the agencies when the Prime Minister thinks fit. That is not a recipe for effective accountability, it is a method of keeping something out of the political arena.
Other countries, notably the United States, have more formal bipartisan oversight of their agencies and theirs probably collect far more sensitive information than the GCSB or the Security Intelligence Service are likely to gather in New Zealand. There seems no reason that both agencies should not be answerable to a panel of senior National and Labour MPs.