He's had 43 years at the controls and watched as three people, including a child on the Ngāruawāhia rail bridge, paid the ultimate price for risking their lives on our railway lines. As another family grieves over the loss of a young life, a train driver tells Cherie Howie his story.
The boy was right in the middle of the Ngāruawāhia rail bridge when the train driver first saw him.
The train, a middle-sized express freight, was 75-100 metres away, travelling at the speed limit of 60km/h.
The driver, who spoke on the condition he not be named, pulled the brakes; the boy, 9-year-old Jayden Tepu, started to run.
"Going through my head, I'm willing him to jump into the river. He was fully clothed, so he wasn't a bridge jumper. But I'm willing him in my head to jump into the river, take his chances there.
"But as I gained on him, he was on the last span of the bridge and he tripped and fell. He fell face first and he never got up again. We went over the top of him."
The train would not stop until the Waingaro Rd level crossing, about 100m south, he said.
There the driver told his two companions, one a prospective new train driver, to stay put, climbed out of the cab and began walking towards the seventh wagon.
A witness was looking underneath; the train driver, the train ballast crunching beneath his boots, was "hoping against hope" for a miracle.
But miracles are in short supply when heavy, fast-moving metal meets human frailty.
Jayden was dead.
The driver called his train controller and supported himself against a fence as a large crowd gathered - the Ngāruawāhia regatta, a 122-year-old annual celebration of the Waikato River and community, was on.
He watched as police arrived, and later as they led a couple to the seventh wagon and lifted a tarpaulin draped over it by the fire service.
"I was feeling quite vulnerable because there's a bit of a crowd there and you don't know what the mood is … somebody's been killed and I'm there on my own.
"I get a tap on the shoulder from behind and it's the man and the lady [who looked under the tarpaulin]. Perhaps I had a look of apprehension on my face, [because] he said to me 'It's all good, there's no animosity. I'm the stepfather, this is the mother'.
"So I met the mum and dad there while their son was still under the wagon. It was pretty hard, but it was all good - we hugged and I met them again at the Coroner's Court at Huntly."
A week later he was back in the driver's cab and wondering how he would feel, especially the first time he crossed the rail bridge.
But it was okay.
Jayden wasn't the first person he'd struck and killed during his 43-year career, nor was the little boy the last.
"The first time after the incident, when I approached the bridge … I thought, 'How am I going to react?'
"Really, it was okay … because it wasn't my first one. The first one is the one where you run through all the 'what ifs'. 'What if I was a minute earlier, what if I was a minute late, it wouldn't have happened'.
He was driving a passenger train at Remuera when a drunk man toppled down an embankment and under the passing train. After giving a statement to police, the driver finished his shift.
"It's different now, you get support."
The last was in 2015, when his train and a truck collided at a level crossing in Rangiri, killing the truck driver.
Other drivers have spoken of locking eyes with vehicle occupants in the instant before impact, but the size of the truck caused him to duck down in case debris came through the window.
Beyond that he tried not to dwell too much on what had happened.
"Yes, it happened, I have to acknowledge that. But i don't think about it every day. That's not to say it goes away, it'll never go away until I close my eyes forever."
He hoped sharing his story would help people take rail safety seriously.
"If the public could see what we see, the aftermath of what a train does to a human body … it's not going to come out very good.
"At the very least [you'll] probably be badly injured, maimed. At the worst, closed casket. And who wants to go in a way where their relatives can't see them for the last time because it's just too horrible?"
A father and grandfather, his own family had heard his advice around the railways - unless you're catching a train, stay away.
"Those moving, rolling stock, they've got no friends. They'll kill you and they'll kill me and I've been around them 44 years now, but they'll kill me just as easily if I let my guard down.
"So they don't have any friends whatsoever. And they've got no conscience. They'll do the deed on anyone."