National's not good at collectively addressing the elephant in the room for fear of causing offence but they are good talking about it behind cupped hands.
Their elephant's Winston Peters and they should be discussing why they failed to convince him that running the show is their natural habitat.
That's part of their problem of course, they like Hillary Clinton, couldn't see themselves losing, it wasn't part of their thinking.
Today they'll begin their two day retreat in Tauranga but there'll be no navel gazing, they'll instead be looking at how they can win, or as Bill English says, how they can earn the right to govern in 2020.
To do that though surely they'll have to understand what went wrong and there are so many obvious things that they'd do well to consider.