James Nokise on addiction and why eating fried chicken in the shower is a good idea.
PRIDE
A couple of years ago you were a rising star on the comedy scene and now you've won the Fred Award at the NZ International Comedy Festival. How does that shift feel?
When I was
really young in comedy I read an article by Dave Chappelle in Time magazine and he said, "Before you check anyone else, you have to check yourself." It was a rule for writing comedy and I think that it's true outside of writing. We have such an egotistical job - our job requires us to summon up ego and walk on stage and tell people we're funny. It becomes really important to learn to leave that ego on stage.
You work overseas a lot, where ego is more acceptable.
The Kiwi modesty is annoying to other people, you discover when you leave New Zealand, because it's often viewed as a false modesty. It is very hard for them to understand that it's not a false modesty, it's a bullied modesty. A friend of mine, Rosanna Raymond of the Pacific Sisters, taught me a very important lesson. She said, "Go overseas and learn how to be arrogant. Learn how to put your hand up and go, 'Hey, I matter, I'm good, you need to give me this opportunity because I am as good as I say I am.' Learn how to do that, bring it back to New Zealand and keep it." And hide it.
In the RNZ podcast Eating Fried Chicken in the Shower, you talk about mental health with famous folks while literally eating fried chicken in a shower stall. How did you know that would work?
We just trusted the conversation. What I have tried to do in stand-up for years is build an intimacy, no matter the size of the venue, so people feel like they are just having a conversation with me. The chicken, the robe, the shower - they're so ridiculous and the whole thing is so ridiculous that we can have people like Marilyn Waring just be loose because we are not serious people, clearly. We're playing buffoons to put everyone at ease. As soon as they're talking, we know if we've got a show. The first episode, when Hayley Holt started talking and told me how friends s*** in her desk, we knew we had a show.
GLUTTONY
Why gluttony?
Addiction has been a big thing for me the last couple of years but I chose gluttony because I don't think a lot of people realise I really love cake.