It's a cliche that usually makes musos shudder but for Liam Finn his 2012 record FOMO really was that "difficult second album". This time around, however, there's genuine delight in his voice, as he describes over the phone from his home in New York, just how much he loved making his third, The Nihilist.
"I didn't want to believe in that cliche but ultimately it was kind of true. It didn't mean that I wasn't happy with the result but the psychology of making that record was a lot more fraught. You know, confusion and not really knowing what I wanted to be, or what it was supposed to be; that weight of expectation," explains the Kiwi singer-songwriter.
"But definitely with this one, I felt a real sense of relief. Especially that I wrote it here [in New York] as well. I felt a bit more anonymous, I felt like I could kind of treat it like a first record again and just really enjoy it."
Finn spent much more time on this record "sort of obsessing over it in a half maddening, half pleasurable way", he says. "You know, just really indulging what it is I love about making music."