"I think I've had enough of writing about it now," she says. "I've written so many songs about it and I actually am in the space where I'm free from that and I like being on my own. So that's what I want the next EP to be about. I want to write about moving on."
Navvy craves the thrill of collaboration, working with friends as well as acclaimed songwriters such as Starsmith (Ellie Goulding), who she teamed up with on a recent writing trip to London. It's an evolution from her early songwriting days, in which she would try to track and record every part of a song on her own. Classically trained for 10 years before studying pop music at the University of Auckland, Navvy had to learn to expand her reference points beyond the operas and musicals she grew up on.
"I didn't listen to any pop music growing up – except for Taylor Swift," she says. "And now I love all pop music.
"I referenced Hannah Montana in a session the other day and the song sounds nothing like Hannah Montana, but it just made the room really fun. We were dancing around to Nobody's Perfect but we wrote a sad ballad – we were just really comfortable with each other."
It's a joy hearing Navvy talk with such infectious excitement about her own music. She wants more Kiwi artists to back themselves in the same way. "I think it was cool to hate yourself for a while, and I think that needs to go," she says.
"We need to be like, 'I'm amazing, I did that, that's me.' I heard 100 Thousand on the radio for the first time the other day, and I was like, 'Oh my God, I made that and now people hear it – that's crazy.'"
LOWDOWN
Who: Navvy
What: The Breakup EP
When: August 14