Sam Scott of The Phoenix Foundation has some bleak advice for aspiring musicians: Give up your dreams.
"Give up your dreams of being famous," he tells Anika Moa as he stops by to discuss the band's sixth album, Give Up Your Dreams.
Scott, who claims he is the Lennon in his songwriting partnership with Luke Buda, admits he still does want to be famous - but only so he can keep making music.
He also claims to be "cooler than Dave Grohl" but is quickly shot down by Moa, who rightfully says: "Ain't no one can be cooler than that MoFo."
• The Phoenix Foundation will be touring New Zealand from September 18, starting in Wellington and traveling around the country before heading to Australia and Europe.
