There's little reason anyone should expect anything serious from mainstream television any more, but there is stuff out there and it is very serious indeed, though of course it screens at frivolous times.
In-depth, talky current affairs TV comes with the morning coffee on Saturdays and Sundays. On TV3 on Saturdays from 9.30am, there's a double feature of The Nation and Media3 and on TV One on Sundays at the even more unseemly 9am, there's Q+A followed by Marae Investigates.
The best of the bunch comes first with The Nation, which is fronted with glacial calm by the extraordinary Rachel Smalley. Last Saturday, with little warning, the athletic interviewer jumped straight into a lengthy studio interview with our formidable Justice Minister, Judith Collins.
The two scary blondes - eyebrows playing tennis across the screen - worked their way through a Top Twenty of topics, from victim support right through to whether Collins fancies being PM one day. Smalley asked her, "You're an ambitious woman?" and Collins came back, "Well, I didn't come here to eat my lunch."