Emirates boss Sir Tim Clark is searching for new ways for the airline to thrive - including more add-on charges - as the aviation industry becomes harder to forecast.
He's been there since the start of Emirates in 1985, and while it was shaking up the airline industry before the word "disruption" entered the business lexicon, the new disrupters are now causing it headaches.
After a tough start to the year there's been a return to growth in the United States following the lifting of the laptop ban, he says, Britain and Europe look strong and Dubai-bound flights from Oceania - despite being forced to drop uneconomic transtasman services - ar also healthy.
The airline has delivered 29 consecutive years of profit. But Clark says he's not as certain about what the future holds as he was in the past.
"It's not as easy to predict and forecast as it might have been 10 years ago - anything can happen. It's a question of having to navigate through the short and medium term as to what the network is going to look like," the airline's president told the Herald from Sydney where he met Qantas counterpart Alan Joyce.