The younger generation can often get a pretty hard time by us "oldies".
We see them sitting on their phones, spending hours on social media and are quick to moan about the difficulty of tearing them away from the online world.
Which is why it's that little bit more pleasing to read stories like the two today which show the younger generation getting out there and doing some pretty impressive stuff.
Take the group of Rotorua Girls' High School students who have spend the past eight weeks slogging it out through the Cactus programme - physical training developed by the armed forces programme.
It's all about them learning team work, leadership, resilience and discipline - not in the classroom reading books but by getting out there and doing it.