There comes a time in council meetings when the media and local government tragics who fill the public gallery get the boot.
There are several reasons council can enter what is called a "public excluded" session but it's most commonly used to discuss commercially sensitive information or to protect someone's privacy.
Items discussed in confidence at Tuesday's Whanganui District Council meeting included a WDC Holdings Ltd report, information on wastewater treatment plant settlement and the Sarjeant Gallery redevelopment.
We now know the later resulted in council voting to guarantee the Sarjeant Gallery redevelopment with $3.9 million of ratepayers money.
The reason given for taking this decision in confidence was to protect the privacy of donors who wanted to remain anonymous.