Andrew Little joined The Country today to talk serious politics. So host Jamie Mackay starts proceedings by asking the Labour leader if he watches The Real Housewives of Auckland.
Surely this is some clever segue into the housing crisis in The City of Sails? No - Mackay just wants to know if Little watches the reality TV show. For the record - he doesn't.
Finally Jamie regains focus and decides to talk politics. Topics covered today are the new Mayor of Auckland, the government's supposed u-turn on immigration and...housing.
See - Jamie got there in the end.