Being shot at in the dark, while in the hold of a boat leaving port illegally, alone when you're only 11 has got to be character building.
Hearing the bullets just skim your skull? Fortifying.
Spending four of your adolescent years tracking down the family that gambled on you as their last chance, has to be an exercise in resilience few of us would pass.
Listening to the story of a now-grown refugee - one of the boat people we hear so much about, I was struck not by what a tragic story he told, but more of how enriched all those around him were through the sheer fact of knowing him.
His business partner who co-directs his NZ-based IT company that now employs more than 200 people has benefited from his cheeky chutzpah (his life story gives a whole new dimension to the concept of "risk") and the extensive business network he established back in Vietnam once he'd settled here.