A few years ago I sat around a table with a suicide education worker, and a group of rugby players and administrators.
One of them was a burly ex-cop. He had probably seen the aftermath of suicide, and its lingering effect on families.
The suicide education worker wastalking to the players among other things, about depression and whether they had been affected by suicide. It was obvious which players had been affected - they were silent.
They weren't going to open up in front of strangers that day, but hopefully they saw a door they could choose to walk through if they needed help.
Former Taniwha rugby player Kurt Davies has walked through that door, and now he's helping other people open it.
And Sir John Kirwan, who is heading to Northland to talk about his experiences with depression, probably helped Kurt by opening up about the D word.
Sadly, it still carries a stigma.
But Kurt, on page 2 today, sums it up succinctly when he says "You are sick, you need help. There is no difference to breaking your leg, it takes time to heal but you will beat this illness."