While detailed results of the first year of a black flounder recovery programme being carried out in the Clive River were still being compiled by fisheries scientists, the man who sparked what will be a 10-year programme has his own initial results from what he has seen so far.
"It's not improving," Tom McGuire from Kohupatiki Marae said yesterday as the second year of the programme got under way.
"It's the water quality - it is going up and down and pollution is still there," he said.
It all came down to what was entering the Clive River in residential and commercial run-offs, Mr McGuire said, and what was going into the river clearly did not agree with the flounder which were once plentiful.
Only 25 years ago, he said, the number of flounder which could be caught out the back of the marae was "huge".