If there was ever a case for living in the provinces it's that line in the Auckland Super City ledger that says it's close to $8 billion in debt.
Oh, and that one in the forecast, which says it'll go over $11b, about 20 times that of Wellington.
Hawke's Bay debt is merely a drop in the bucket by comparison.
As nationwide councils umbrella Local Government New Zealand says, there is nothing like the issue of debt to create interest in local government.
The real question, LGNZ says, is not whether councils should have debt or not, but what should debt be used for and when should it be considered too high?